A question for those writing novels
November 3, 2006 — pooksIf you signed up to take a course on Basics of Writing a Novel and the instructor had you watch two different MOVIES during the 8-week course, would that rub you the wrong way?
I use WITNESS to demonstrate story structure right now. (I know, some of you have taken the course, and I’ll be interested in your responses.) I once had a woman quit because she didn’t sign up to learn how to “write movies” so I’ve always been aware that some students might not understand why I do this, even though I explain in class. But I find it easier and more approachable to ask a class to watch a movie the week before we discuss plot (so that we all have the same images and events and character issues, etc. for illustration) than to ask them to go home and read a book that week. I also think it’s near impossible to come up with a book to assign that everybody would enjoy, while most people like Witness well enough, plus there’s the time issue — 112 minutes (film) vs. several hours (book).
So I do that and assume that students understand why, and it does seem to help when we start talking about elements of story. In fact, being able to refer back to WITNESS and some of the situations and characters in later weeks is a benefit throughout the course.
Let’s face it — just in general we are all more likely to be familiar with the same movie and television characters than those in books, no matter how popular the book. My references to books such a the Lord of the Rings Trilogy and Charlotte’s Web
are as unfamiliar to some of my students as references to The Accidental Tourist
and oh — any title I can name. I can’t think of a single title that is easily known by everybody, even when you get down to folk tales and stories (David and Goliath sometimes doesn’t get the spark of recognition I’d have expected, since the reference is so widely used. People understand the concept, but don’t know/recall the story.)
So okay, I tell people to watch Witness. BUT I’m thinking of adding a second movie assignment for later. I haven’t decided — I need to watch it again myself to decide — but the chapter on Characterization in Writing the Romantic Comedy and its breakdown of the characters and relationships in Tootsie
is so terrific, I’m already wanting to cite it as an example in reviews I’m doing for people who aren’t writing romantic comedy at all.
So, would you be annoyed if you were asked to watch two movies (not during class — at home) as part of a noncredit class on writing novels?










November 3, 2006 at 7:11 pm
The most useful advice on plotting I’ve ever heard was from a woman who referenced Casablanca in her lecture. Many fiction workshops use screenwriting books to teach structure. If students can’t see the application, then perhaps they’re just not ready to learn?
November 3, 2006 at 10:15 pm
Thanks, sniv!
November 4, 2006 at 1:17 am
I think it’s a great idea, Pooks.
The woman who got upset and left your class sounds a little too high-maintenance, if you know what I mean.
November 4, 2006 at 8:06 pm
??? It was “Witness,” right? Not some “Skinemax” version of the Harrison Ford movie, but the actual movie, right?
What, you weren’t showing a story to her? I’m confused.
1) Not that the movies were a class assignment, but if they were, a movie would be easier than everyone having to listen you read passage after passage to get a point across.
2) It certainly doesn’t hurt your students when they learn to visualize a story, before they put it down paper. Movies have as much to teach us about storytelling as literature.
3) Everything, no matter how great or mundane it seems, teaches us all how to be better writers. Either by example or by not following that example.
4) The real reason she got up, was that stick she had in the wrong place, shifted.
November 4, 2006 at 8:06 pm
I would not be annoyed if I were asked to watch a couple of movies (but then again, I enjoy writing screenplays).
By the way, I think TOOTSIE would make an excellent example. The way it uses structure and character is brilliant.
Thanks also for the 5150 referral: Max admitted me in September and I have really enjoyed being a part of that workshop!
Cheers and best of luck with your class,
Rochelle
November 5, 2006 at 1:53 am
I loved it. Witness is not only entertaining but a good example of the three act structure that can apply to novels or screenplays. It also shows how you can innovate within the structure by showing a movie within a movie in act 2. Yes, novels have other characteristics such as internal monologue, but movies really illustrate the “show, don’t tell” of scenes which is important in both and I think (at least for me) one of the most difficult things to learn.
I like the Tootsie example too (and not just because I was an investor!). I read that chapter and agree. It would make a good assignment and handout to analyze the complexity of the Michael Dorsey character.
I can see how some people might be surprised by the use of movies and screenplay techniques in a novel writing class. They wouldn’t be expecting it. Maybe it could be mentioned up front in the syllabus or first class so people who did object (hopefully, not many) could opt out if they chose.
November 5, 2006 at 5:22 pm
I am also thinking of Tootsie because I love how the roles each of the characters play, and how they reflect on Michael Dorsey. I once tried to compare your cast of characters to the star system in Hollywood — your main character is the “star” and the “supporting characters” do just that, support the character’s story, yadda yadda. This is a very clear way to show how the characters’ roles ARE to support the main character’s quest (or hurt it) and a lot of other good stuff, too.
November 5, 2006 at 6:34 pm
I used to make my students watch “The Color Purple,” and also read the book and then we’d talk about the differences in the two, how character growth was shown in each, and how each expressed (or didn’t express) the voices of women and minorities.
That was back when I was being poor, instead of the rich computer geek that I’ve become who never thinks about any of that kind of stuff.
November 5, 2006 at 6:38 pm
Sometimes I am amazed at the things to which I admit in public.
I have never read nor seen The Color Purple. (The book/movie, not the color.)
Which should I do first?
November 5, 2006 at 6:42 pm
PS: Have you ever considered Aristotle’s Poetics and some of the Greek Plays? (My personal favorite is The Clouds, because I love Aristophanes, and there is much farting.)
November 5, 2006 at 6:43 pm
Read the book.
And pay attention to how the protagonist sees herself as the book progresses.
It’s different in the movie. But you had already guessed that.
November 5, 2006 at 6:47 pm
Oh, all the cool screenwriters refer to Poetics. It’s evidently a film school thing. I haven’t read that, either. Sigh. So much to learn, so little energy.
November 5, 2006 at 7:07 pm
I am not a cool screenwriter, but I am a former teacher of Ancient Humanities. Aeschylus, Euripedes, those guys.
Poetics actually makes screenwriting rather simple. Short span of time, topic you can empathize with, fear and pity bringing catharsis.
Pretty good stuff for 4000 years ago or so…